Kama Kat's hulls were extended about 18inches, by the addition of "swim platforms". Effectively, the hulls are extended, with the top of the extension at about the bottom of the boot stripe and a small platform fills the space between the folded back swim ladder leggs (similar to original swim ladder installations)....both hulls the same.The bottom and the sides of the extension, follow the original hull lines. Stern does not extend beyond overhanging dinghy.
Installation was by Ed Wilson of Lastcat, MV34 Hull 115 .........yes the very same Ed who helped us all at the old PDQ shop.
He made the extension according to my specification and I am pleased both with the workmanship and the boat's performance to date.
Once we have more cruising experience with the new arrangement, I shall report on how the extension affected the boat's performance.
Regrettably, I am unable to attach pictures (finger trouble?), but will be pleased to e-mail same to those realy interested.
Hull Extension
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Frank Farago
Kama Kat
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Re: Hull Extension
Frank,
Thank you for sharing your hull extension project. I'd be happy to assist posting them here on the forum if you like to email them to me.
I'm extending the hulls of my PDQ 36 sailing cat approximately 2.5'. I'm doing the work myself and lots of learning is involved so it's going slow. See more at http://www.PDQ36.blogspot.com
Thank you for sharing your hull extension project. I'd be happy to assist posting them here on the forum if you like to email them to me.
I'm extending the hulls of my PDQ 36 sailing cat approximately 2.5'. I'm doing the work myself and lots of learning is involved so it's going slow. See more at http://www.PDQ36.blogspot.com
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Hi Frank, Thank-you for posting the pictures and the kind words. If anyone has any questions or is interested in extending a pdq 36 or mv34 they can drop me a line at 905-706-6569, or edwilson@sympatico.ca. Thanks again.Kama Kat wrote:Kama Kat's hulls were extended about 18inches, by the addition of "swim platforms". Effectively, the hulls are extended, with the top of the extension at about the bottom of the boot stripe and a small platform fills the space between the folded back swim ladder leggs (similar to original swim ladder installations)....both hulls the same.The bottom and the sides of the extension, follow the original hull lines. Stern does not extend beyond overhanging dinghy.
Installation was by Ed Wilson of Lastcat, MV34 Hull 115 .........yes the very same Ed who helped us all at the old PDQ shop.
He made the extension according to my specification and I am pleased both with the workmanship and the boat's performance to date.
Once we have more cruising experience with the new arrangement, I shall report on how the extension affected the boat's performance.
Regrettably, I am unable to attach pictures (finger trouble?), but will be pleased to e-mail same to those realy interested.
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Re: Hull Extension
Can you tell us about the performance delta? A friend of mine sails a Seawind 1000 and extended his hull and picked up 2-3 knots. What has it done for you?
Ross Bowling
Re: Hull Extension
You can read all about the hull extensions here viewtopic.php?f=15&t=1550
Theory says ~ 2-3% improvment, or 0.2-0.3kn at 10 knots.
From a site regarding a stretched Seawind 1000(3'):Ross Bowling wrote:Can you tell us about the performance delta? A friend of mine sails a Seawind 1000 and extended his hull and picked up 2-3 knots. What has it done for you?
SPEED
She's definitely faster, but when I tried a wide-open throttle test I still only got up to the 7.8 knots I had achieved when the boat was brand new ... but, each engine now has over 2200 hours on it and we have a lot more stuff onboard - sorry, I should have run a wide-open throttle test just before I had the boat lengthened. When sailing, there is a definite increase in speed - noticeable in light airs where I would guess 10% (e.g., 3.3 knots vs. the previous 3.0 knots) and maybe 5% midrange (e.g., 7.3 knots vs. the previous 7.0 knots, although I swear we seem to be motoring a good 1/2-knot faster at the motor's 'sweet spot'), and I haven't had the opportunity to go an any screaming reaches so I simply don't know yet how she does at the top end (we've previously seen over 15 knots in ocean surfing conditions). The smoother boat motion also means an increase in the average speed in lumpy conditions. We've been fighting the N->S coastal current all the way up the coast and, with a few exceptions, I've seen a disparity between the boat's knotmeter and the the GPS and thus I need to verify the knotmeter's calibration in a known zero-current location before making any wild claims.
So though every builder WANTS to observe success, 0.3kn is success.
The expected increase in the high range is less, because once the water exits the transom cleanly (~ 10 knots) waterline does not help UNLESS the entire length of the hull is reshaped. Reaching at 10kn plus, the water doesn't "know" the extensions are there. They no longer effect the wake.
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I'm very happy with the performance enhancements of the hull extensions. 3' definitley makes a difference especially under sail as the hulls are more easily driven, thus one goes faster with less wind. Two more PDQ 36 owners have purchased hull extension parts from me so fairly soon we should have more data or at least... opinions.
Yes, a clean-bottom test before and after would be great....
but all of the boats are going to get scrape/paint while they are on the hard. That alone typically adds 0.2 - 0.4 knots, even if the bottom was not bad. Up to 0.5 knots if it was gross.PDQ-Dave wrote:I'm very happy with the performance enhancements of the hull extensions. 3' definitley makes a difference especially under sail as the hulls are more easily driven, thus one goes faster with less wind. Two more PDQ 36 owners have purchased hull extension parts from me so fairly soon we should have more data or at least... opinions.
A number of of Stilettos were extended from 27' to 30', and the advantage was not speed - they were not faster. However, they were smother in large chop and tracked better. I rode on one. If I were to extend my boat, that is the advantage I would seek and expect.
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